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What I Said to Georgie's Boy Scout Leader [May. 16th, 2005|01:09 pm]
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Dear -----,

== snip of mundane stuff ==

If we don't get back to Scouting this year, we may do it next year. It has been really fun. Although tolerating the Scouts anti-Gay bias seems less and less reasonable in light of the way the world is going. I don't want G to get the misconception that intolerance or hate toward any group of people who are being who they are is acceptable. Tolerating intolerance is one thing, but sometimes I feel that I'm abetting it by letting G be a Scout. I wish the Boy Scouts would just grow up and get with the human decency program like the Girl Scouts have. grrrr! (sorry for the rant, but you know...)

In spite of all that, maybe we'll see you tonight or next week.

Thanks, G's Mom
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[User Picture]From: spytfire
2005-05-16 06:23 pm (UTC)
Wow! Go you!
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[User Picture]From: cdozo
2005-05-16 06:29 pm (UTC)
Aw shucks.
*scuffs her feet while looking down*
It's nothing Ma'am (...well you would be a Ma'am if the law would allow it).

Thanks. Maybe she'll pass it on. She's really nice and she sees the problem.
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[User Picture]From: spytfire
2005-05-16 07:08 pm (UTC)
Who knows, it may help. I commend your effort, none the less.

If *parents* complain about the Boy Scout Policy...heterosexual parents with boys in the scouts, then it could have a bit more impact than someone like me...

Baby steps...we need to take baby steps. I keep telling myself this, but I get impatient after a while...especially when I see parts of this country taking GIANT steps backwards in these areas...
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[User Picture]From: cdozo
2005-05-16 07:27 pm (UTC)

My Country 'tis of Thee

That's what I keep telling myself too. I think the Scouts are a great thing (thanks to Heinlein). I always figured that if I had a boy, he'd be a Scout. Then the Scouts came out with this intolerant policy. So we tried other groups, but they were unsatisfying.

Finally I tried the Scouts and they were really fun. So I decided that I would let them know often, but in a low key way, that their antigay policy was anti-people. I like to think I've done a good job at that. My favorite was when we were on a field trip and two of the boys wouldn't hold hands for the buddy check, and I said, "they're afraid they'll get kicked out."

But with the U.S. getting more divisive everyday, I'm getting less and less patient. I worry that G will get the wrong message, even though I've talked to him about it. He's only eight, and he sees everything. And I can't shape his thoughts. I can only guide him. So we go to Scouts, but I worry what he's learning. And I wonder if the "work from within" idea isn't just a rationalization for "don't worry, be happy," while my country, that I love enormously, crumbles into something our Founding Fathers wouldn't recognize.
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From: (Anonymous)
2005-05-19 09:05 pm (UTC)

Re: My Country 'tis of Thee

Yay Carol - those Boy Scouts are just out of hand with that bigotted policy. Love, Ky
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[User Picture]From: cdozo
2005-05-20 03:05 pm (UTC)

Re: My Country 'tis of Thee

The problem is that Scouting is like Kerrville in that in general it attracts better than average people in a community involved way. And so many of the values Scouting teaches are things I want G to learn. In addition, I just plain I like the people we meet there. The bigoted stuff comes from the people at the top. I haven't seen any hate related talk or activity at the kid level. I'm pretty sure that, at least in G's troop, bigoted behavior would not be tolerated. But the fact that a fundamental rule of membership (that you can't be gay) is a problem. It's a beautiful structure built on an unsound foundation of hatred.

I think of G's friend whose father is gay, and wonder how hard it would be for an eight-year-old boy to be told that he can't participate with his dad because of who his father loves. How awful and sad that would be for a kid. How evil that grown-ups would even consider it.

Then I think of how cool Scouting has been for millions of boys for years and years. I just want to fix the Scouts. Scouting is good, it's just a few intolerant non-christian jerks who have messed it up. If I can just ride it out...kind of sound like a battered housewife: "He's really a good guy, he doesn't mean to be mean...he just doesn't realize what he's doing."

Noooo. Nooo! We need things like Scouting. Kids need things like Scouting. "Out damn bigots! Out! Out I say!"
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