Poor kid. She doesn't deserve to be in the vortex; she's not running. Your mom sounds very cool.
She sounds like it. My condolences.
2008-09-01 11:02 pm (UTC)
Cdozo is partly right.
Our mom was amazing, but she was not a politician who could conceivably be in a position to deny women (and girls) the option of ending unwanted pregnancy. If it's true that Palin opposes birth control then to me she and her family are not off limits. I'm sorry for the kid, but the mom is fair game now that it is really not impossible that she could become president. McCain, whose daughter is gay, should also be called to explain his positions on gay marriage and equal rights for gay people as well as what exactly are these "family values" that those people are always crowing about. I think private people should have the option of private lives, but the minute you influence policies that affect millions of people, every aspect of the way you conduct yourself and the way you deal with your errant family members is legitimately subject to scrutiny. Besides, our mom also told us never to pose for nude photos, because if we ever went into politics, they would surely get published in the New York Times. Palin should probably have been giving her 4 or 5 kids a little more good advice and mom-time instead of hanging around with a bunch of stupid politicians.
2008-09-01 11:15 pm (UTC)
Re: Cdozo is partly right.
I don't agree. If it was your kid, you'd support her 100%. It's Palin's kid and Palin has a right to support her. If she went all psycho fundamentalist Christian on the kid and kicked her out, then I could see making it political. But the daughter is old enough to make her own choices. The mom has a choice to support her or not. That she is sticking by her kid speaks well of her.
It doesn't speak well of her abstinence-only educational beliefs. So those are fair game. But the private decision of a seventeen-year-old woman who is not running for office should be left out of the discussion.
Edited at 2008-09-01 11:16 pm (UTC)
2008-09-03 09:40 pm (UTC)
Re: Cdozo is partly right.
I haven't hear anyone call into question whether Palin should support her daughter. I haven't heard anyone suggest she should be kicked out or forced to have an abortion.
The criticism I've heard comes from juxtaposing Palin's family situation -- she has a minor child who is pregnant -- with her emphasis on "family values". At the least, her daughter is a rotten testimonial to abstinence-only education.
The NYSun is talking up the pregnancy but with a positive spin: "...her decision to marry the father, carry the baby to term, and start a family...(is) an example to admire."
Of course, this was in an editorial pushing the view that we need lower birth ages and more population growth. It goes on to say "To catch up and compete with [India and China], America will have to grow its own population by having larger families..."
Knowing the well-oiled Republican spin machine, I suspect that the news of the pregnancy was released as it was just so Democrats would be put on the spot -- if they failed to criticize, that would show their lack of concern about family values; if they criticized, they would show a lack of --guess what?-- family values.
I assume that Palin chose how and when to release the information because Bristol is five months pregnant and apparently the pregnancy is "an open secret" in Wasilla. Palin knew long before she accepted the offer from McCain, and if McCain did any vetting at all, he knew also. So I think they are the ones who set Bristol up as a political pawn.
I agree that no one should pass judgment on Brystal, the pregnant daughter. The attention is more a statement about McCain and the lousy vetting job he did (this is just one of many things going on around Palin right now), and about Palin's politics. I mean, she doesn't believe in birth control (so I've heard) or sex education. Now see what happens to little girls?
Here's a statement from one of the blogs:
What's galling is this: When the subject is a pregnancy to an unwed, minority teenage mother growing up in some (presumably Democratic) urban area, that pregnancy becomes fodder for lectures from conservatives about bad parenting, the perils of welfare spending and so on. But when the subject is a pregnancy to an unwed, white teenager from some small town in a Republican state, that pregnancy is...a celebration of the wonders of God's magnificence--and choosing life!
― Thomas Schaller
Every child should feel welcomed. Every birth should be a cause for celebration.
When someone comes to you and says, "I'm pregnant", you support them. Period. I had people say I should have an abortion when I got pregnant young, or that I should give my baby up for adoption. It just is not anyone's business but the pregnant woman, and if she keeps the baby, the baby's father.
My primary problem with this is that Gov. Palin has already injected her children into politics. She is anti-abortion and anti-birth control and stated on public record that abortion should not be allowed in the case of rape. Explicitly, if her daughter were to become pregnant as the result of rape, she would not have an abortion. [I think the daughter was 14 at the time.]
IMHO, this is much like the incident some years back when Dan Quayle made the mistake of answering a question about this and his wife explicitly stated that if their daughter became pregnant she would carry the child to term.
I have little respect for politicians who use their children when convenient in politics and then invoke a cone of silence when it suits them.
IMHO, that cone of silence should have been there all along.
2008-09-03 06:16 am (UTC)
It's not about the kid it's about her mom. She should shut up .
I would be happy to not discuss her kid if she would promise not to discuss mine, or anyone else's. But she won't. She thinks she knows better than we do what our kids need as far as sex education and access to all things about sex. Since Palin may soon be in a position to deny birth control or abortion to everyone's sons and daughters, or to deny funding for condoms in aids prevention programs, or insist on abstinence only sex ed, or limit health benefits for children of young unmarried parents, the fact that one of her kids is a pregnant unmarried teenager is of interest. Plus I think if you have 5 youngish kids, one of whom is retarded, and your husband is racing sled dogs for a couple of months a year, you might not want to take a chance of becoming VP or Prez, because I do not believe there are enough hours in the day, or brain cells in the brain, to do both those jobs well at the same time. For the record, I welcome all babies.
2008-09-03 10:08 pm (UTC)
O THAT rumor!
I just reread your original post. Sounds like you're not upset at the current pregnancy, but at the rumor about Trig.
There was a rumor that Trig (the Down's syndrome baby) was really Bristol's, but that rumor was discredited pretty quickly.
Palin was apparently in Texas at a governor's convention when she went into labor, a month early. She stayed to give her speech, then flew to Anchorage where they induced the birth, about 24h after the waters broke. Trig was born Friday, April 18th; Palin was back at work on Monday.
You may question the judgment of someone staying to give a speech, then flying while in labor (the airline was not notified), but it's hard to question that Palin is indeed the mother.
2008-09-09 11:19 pm (UTC)
Re: O THAT rumor!
I thought flying during the third trimester was frowned upon and even highly discouraged. If she had taken along her medical team, why didn't they do the delivery in Texas?
2008-09-10 02:07 am (UTC)
Re: O THAT rumor!
Many airlines won't take a pregnant passenger in her last month or so, or won't take her without a doctor's OK. But Alaska Air has no such policy; it's entirely up to the passenger.
I have mixed feelings about it. One the one hand, I question the judgment of someone who would fly in labor. I was doula at my goddaughter's delivery, and although no difficulties were foreseen, the midwife went over with me what we would do if various things happened. This seems like basic caution, and putting yourself in a box with crowded seats and no medical facilities seems more than a little reckless.
On the other hand, I've always admired the pluck and stamina of those (stereotypically natives, farm workers, and the Amish) who can work up to delivery time, deliver, then return to work with her newborn in a sling. It certainly fits the rugged individualist legend.
But on balance, I'd rather have a commander-in-chief with judgment than one who is bullheadedly/heroically stoic.